Frienship /amitie -- A social necessity
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Par PEGASOS : le 19/02/11 à 10:28:58
| Dire merci | Bonjour a tous, some of you know me already, most of you don't. So just for reference of all, I am PhD student in Toulouse and as you might have guessed, I don't speak good enough french (my fault totally, and I accept it. My apologies for this to all). What makes me write this post is quite unusual, specially for me. But as they say that "desperate times demand desperate measures", I don't have any other choice. This forum is the only place I know. We are called social animals as human beings, and the very reason for this is that we can't survive in isolation, specially when you are going through difficult period of your life. we need moral support and courage, we need a shoulder to cry, we need someone to talk to. In short, we all need friends. So, thats the purpose of this post. I have lost my only friend in harsh realities of life, somehow I had to leave my only friend! life without that friend is nothing short of hell. In my efforts to survive and fight this crisis, I am writing this post to see if there are people in Toulouse which I can see sometime, to whom I can talk or go out once in a while. I don't feel comfortable talking about myself but all I can say is I am easy going person so will not be a trouble for most of you. I don't own a horse but I know a little bit horse riding thanks to someone on this forum, who taught me. I like photography and so I can take pictures of your horses etc, for free off course. sorry for a long post but you can guess how miserable I am that I had to do all this. I wish you all the very best and pray that you never lose your friends. Friends are like good health, you only realize its importance once you lose it. so please take good care of your friends! (disclaimer: if someone thinks my post should not be here, please let me know and I will delete it) |
Par keriado : le 19/02/11 à 10:34:35
| Dire merci | Hi Pegasos, i'm not around Toulouse, i'm far from it but if you need, or want to talk to someone, i can give you my mail adress (msn or facebook). I know what it is to feel miserable and lonely and so if i can help in whatever sort of way please let me know of it  |
Par PEGASOS : le 19/02/11 à 10:39:17
| Dire merci | Thanks keriado, when you are drowning, you even try to survive by holding a straw, hoping it will save you, and in this case its not even straw, its a big plank, so yes I really appreciate your support and I can share my info in PM if you don't mind? thanks once again, may God bless you for you deeds of kindness. |
Par krésus : le 19/02/11 à 10:42:22
  Déconnecté | Hello I'm not from Toulouse and i'm not a very weel english speaker (  ), but if you want to speak with me about horses or other, it will be a pleasure Sorry for my bad english, i've not spoken english for a long time! |
Par krésus : le 19/02/11 à 10:44:05
| Déconnecté | PhD student What does "PhD" mean? |
Par keriado : le 19/02/11 à 10:46:28
| Dire merci | Yup no problem you can PM me, i'll be disconected till tonight from now but then i'll be there to talk to you. |
Par PEGASOS : le 19/02/11 à 10:46:40
| Dire merci | Hi kresus, Thanks for the response. You speak good english, much better than my french, so I should be more sorry than you. PhD is doctorant in french. thanks for your moral support too, definitely I will be happy if we cant talk and more importantly If I can be of any help to you all. |
Par krésus : le 19/02/11 à 10:48:29
| Déconnecté | Great, i need to write english because i'm going to visit New York next week  Where do you come from? I'll give you my email adress by MP |
Par krésus : le 19/02/11 à 10:49:32
| Déconnecté | Hey keriado, tu gères dis donc  |
Par PEGASOS : le 19/02/11 à 10:56:08
| Dire merci | kresus nice to know you are going to new york, I wish you a good time there, had lot of fun  |
Par krésus : le 19/02/11 à 10:56:42
| Déconnecté | Thanks |
Par Flash : le 19/02/11 à 11:13:30
| Dire merci | I don't live near Toulouse neither, but I know what is to loose friends... My childhood friend commited suicide about a year ago and my best friend died in my arms 4 months ago of an heart crisis... She died with me waiting for the ambulance... She was my very best friend, and the only one I could tell everything to... She was my backup, my support, my confident, such as a sister... I know how empty life feels and how miserable and alone you may feel... I also know too well that : the very reason for this is that we can't survive in isolation, specially when you are going through difficult period of your life. we need moral support and courage, we need a shoulder to cry, we need someone to talk to. I hope that you can make friends around you in Toulouse but if you need to talk you still can write here, there is always people to act as a friend and give you a bit more courage and moral support, even if it's only by the internet, it helps |
Par PEGASOS : le 19/02/11 à 11:23:25
| Dire merci | Flash I am really sorry and saddened to hear about tragic deaths of you friends. may God rest their souls in heaven, ameen. Thanks a lot for the supporting words, I hope this will help me to overcome my crisis as well, and that I will not pass away like your friend due to my stupid heart (which I thought I have give to someone already). I am happy that at least my best friend is alive and I pray for her success, health and prosperity all the time, may she live in peace and enjoy her life the way she wants. ameen regarding friends on internet, as I said to kresus before, when we are drowning, when we are desperate, even a hope is enough to make us fight for our survival. and in this case its much much more than that, I do appreciate your support and thanks for offer, i will write here and talk to you people. |
Par mastertom : le 19/02/11 à 11:31:23
| Dire merci | mais elle gere que dalle keriado ouais elle utilise le traducteur  pegasos : hi ! Where do you come from ? England ? |
Par PEGASOS : le 19/02/11 à 11:33:12
| Dire merci | just in continuation of what Flash said above, I will just add that friendship is generally categorized in two groups: genuine friendship and those formed by mutual usefulness and pleasure. the difference between them is that genuine friendship does not dissolve, no matter what circumstances are there, no matter what happens, a genuine friendship stays there, without any selfishness and expectations of something in return. in genuine friendship we don't think about advantages and disadvantages, we don't evaluate benefits and losses, its without any fear and without any condition. genuine friends wish good for the other, and they are good in themselves. Well obviously this friendship does not happen in a day, it takes time to achieve such friendship and that too if we are lucky to have someone worth such friendship. On the contrary, other category of friendship only last for as long as there is utility and pleasure involved. not that its bad to have such friendship. Both categories are equally important and have high respect in my eyes. You can never go to genuine friendship without passing through the other category. |
Par PEGASOS : le 19/02/11 à 11:35:11
| Dire merci | kresus and mastertom I am from pakistan. |
Par al : le 19/02/11 à 11:36:04
| Dire merci | Hi Peg! Remember PE is always reading for a shooting together (you guys, i'm not a big fan of shooting planes ), anytime, just call him, he'll be glad to come with you |
Par Flash : le 19/02/11 à 11:36:39
| Dire merci | PEGASOS : thank you for your concern and prayers. I can understand it's not so easy to make friend, knowing that you don't speak well french and that you go through a crisis, but don't let yourself slip away, keep fighting to get back healthy to your best friend one day. I guess if it is your best friend, your ways are going to cross again while your lifetime. Why did you come to Toulouse? For studies, job? |
Par PEGASOS : le 19/02/11 à 11:38:02
| Dire merci | al hi , hope you are fine. yes i know and i have his email too. i am sure next time i will be able to join him . thanks indeed |
Par mastertom : le 19/02/11 à 11:38:21
| Dire merci | omg  you ike to write and i dont ike to Read my eyes explosed when i see long text as yours |
Par al : le 19/02/11 à 11:41:21
| Dire merci | allright peg and if you're up to come for diner anytime (this evening would be quite short for me to prepare something good, so in 10 days if you're ok?), i will try to make you discover some parts of our french cuisine that you don't already know (and try to learn some french too  ) |
Par PEGASOS : le 19/02/11 à 11:45:20
| Dire merci | Flash I am here for study, doctorant. and you are absolutely right, if we are best friends we are destined to be together for our life, may be thousands miles away, may be totally out of contact but no matter what, our souls will stay connected, there will always be an invisible bond between us. as they say the best kind of friend is the one you could sit on a porch with, never saying a word, and walk away feeling like that was the best conversation you've had. But problem for the moment is that when your wounds are fresh, they give u pain! if wounds are not physical but spiritual, they put in torment! it takes time to heal them. |
Par PEGASOS : le 19/02/11 à 11:49:22
| Dire merci | mastertom I am sorry i guess i am out of control like a river who just found a broken bank. I will try to break it in small pieces. al so nice of you, thats good idea, we will see how do we materialize it. I am not sure about 10 days but we will see, thanks a bundle! |
Par krésus : le 19/02/11 à 12:05:02
| Déconnecté | master moi aussi ça me pique les yeux! |
Par Flash : le 19/02/11 à 12:07:45
| Dire merci | Pegasos : so you are here for a few year? What about inviting your best friend for a vacation and take time to visit France with her? Or at least, around Toulouse? I totaly agree with what you said about the 2 differents kind of friendship... The problem is that the real friendship is hard to find in this world that wants to make us think as individual... I have lost most of my true friends, I feel really alone where à lived (I moved 1000km away to study and had trouble find new real friend, people seems like they are only interested in having fun with others but they are away when you feel bad...). I hope you find true friends, or at least people to hang out with, that would still make you feel a bit less pain... |
Par PEGASOS : le 19/02/11 à 12:15:34
| Dire merci | Flash my story is much more complicated than that. but yes i am here for 3 more years, i hope. In short, you can assume that my only genuine friend(or at least what i think) is also here but due to some unavoidable circumstances i can't see her. lets not get into details of those circumstances but rest assure that We tried our best to be in touch, alas it is not possible. |
Par mastertom : le 19/02/11 à 12:28:21
| Dire merci | jte jure krésus jai les yeux qui saignent |
Par goodnightmoon : le 19/02/11 à 13:24:07
| Dire merci | Hi Peg! first of all, sorry for my horrible English. I do not have unfortunately lot of things to say to you if it is that I wish you much courage to go through this test which the [lifeimposes to you. If you need, I am availablehere, or by mp |
Par PEGASOS : le 19/02/11 à 13:32:42
| Dire merci | goodnightmoon thanks indeed and please if you all feel better to write in French, you can write in french. I will try to understand. Its my fault if i don't speak french so you guys don't need to be sorry. thanks for the encouragement though. I highly appreciate. |
Par goodnightmoon : le 19/02/11 à 13:36:02
| Dire merci | Peg ! don't worry ,it's good for me (and i think the other will be ok) to practice english!! Really ,i hope you will find a solution to your problem ,even if it seems to be impossible. Love always win ,i'm totally sure of that!! courage again  |
Par PEGASOS : le 19/02/11 à 13:59:39
| Dire merci | goodnightmoon i do agree, love wins. it always wins. it may have different forms of winning but nonetheless it wins. love is not all about possession, love is not all about being together, but yes these both things does matter a lot. a lot more than any words can ever describe! for me the feelings of love and care we have for someone are already the winning prize. nothing could make me hate her even despite so many things. nothing could make me forget her. and i am sure nothing will do it in future too. Yes it does hurt sometime, yes for your it does make you cry to see something that you don't expect. But thats also a form of love: we get hurt because we care about someone, we get hurt because we love someone. |
Par mirza : le 19/02/11 à 14:06:31
| Dire merci | I'm sure you will make friends in a near future, don't worry too much, life often brings good surprises This forum is a nice place to come and talk, personally I've met people who have become real friends, and although we don't meet very often they are always ready to help. I wish you all the best  |
Par sowerealittlecrazy : le 19/02/11 à 14:15:19
| Déconnecté | hi peg, i really dont know what to say but i've just been extremely moved by your thoughts and how you feel about yor loss, your life and what you've got to get through. But i guess you are not alone as they are a lot of people willing to help you and be friends with you. i don't live in Toulouse as i share my life between paris and the US but i can write and try to get to know you a little. I heard you are from Pakistan so i g uess there is a lot to learn from you, from a culture that i barely know, it will extend my horizons cheers |
Par lil22 : le 19/02/11 à 14:20:35
| Déconnecté Dire merci | Hi! I'm sorry I'm not from Toulouse. It's really a terrible situation. I wish you a lot of courage and I hope you'll be greatest soon. Sometimes love is beautiful and sometimes it hurts, unfortunately, that what's life is made. Something is sure : we always have someone who love us and we ever have to remember this. |
Par goodnightmoon : le 19/02/11 à 14:21:13
| Dire merci | Peg ,I'm sorry ,i think i will write in french  Je suis totalement d'accord avec toi. Souffrir d'aimer est moins dur finalement que de souffrir de ne pas aimer. Tu es fort de ce que tu as ressenti et de ce que tu continues de ressentir aujourd'hui. Je reste persuadée que cette histoire aura une issue favorable ,peu importe quand et comment. |
Par PEGASOS : le 19/02/11 à 14:28:03
| Dire merci | mirza thanks indeed for the support. no doubt life has its own surprises, every night ends in a day and every day ends in dark night.. thats how life works, it has its own ups and downs. as far as forum is concerned, you are absolutely right, it is a nice place and people i know here are all very nice and helping. sowerealittlecrazy they say that if your feelings are true, your words talk themselves. I am not sure if its my words which moved you or it is ur own innerself who got stimulated. But thanks for the help too, yes i will like to discuss on anything you want. its always good to know human from different culture, thats how we evolve into better human beings. I wish you all the best in your life too. hope to stay in touch. |
Par sowerealittlecrazy : le 19/02/11 à 14:32:28
| Déconnecté | i 've got to go back to work but you can pm me if you want; i'll reply tonight just so you know, i have one love too, but he lives very far away from me, i tried to shut my heart down, but 4 years later i still have them inside, and i still need him in my life but i don,t know if we ll ever be together. it tears me appart but i'v got to deal with it. I understand your pain and nothing heals and no wor dis strong enough but you have shoulders to rely on now |
Par PEGASOS : le 19/02/11 à 15:00:50
| Dire merci | sowerealittlecrazy thanks indeed for the shoulder! and I wish you all the best for your work and your life in general. As far as shutting the heart is concerned, what I believe is that love is like engraving on surface of your heart, once engraved, cant be undone. you can try to put dust of time on it so that its not visible anymore but believe me, a single whisper of gentle wind of love, affection and care can reveal it anytime. there is no denying that somethings stay forever, such as a true love! you can try to hide a true love, but you can never deny it. everybody has its own ways of dealing with this dilemma. some try to keep themselves busy so that they don't have time to think about it, some try to find new relations stronger than before to over come its attraction, some may chose to live with it as it is, because for some memories of its true love are much more precious than the reality of a new partner. no matter what you chose, its all our efforts to hide the reality of love. a given action taken can be good for some and bad for rest. |
Par PEGASOS : le 19/02/11 à 15:05:44
| Dire merci | goodnightmoon if i understood right, then yes i do agree, at least for me, the pains and sufferings of love are much more worthy than the life without it. in any case you will face hardships whether you have love or not so why not to face them with love? at least you have your love by your side to face every single suffering. and thanks for being optimistic. I would love to believe you, and as they say the world works on hopes. so yes I hope too. |
Par PEGASOS : le 19/02/11 à 18:03:01
| Dire merci | lil22 thanks for well wishes, I wish best for all of us. I agree what you say about love. On the same thoughts (inspired by some philosopher)... we should respond to the signals of love and follow it though the path of love can be very hard and steep. And when love hugs us and its wings enfold us, we should yield to it, even though the sword hidden among it's pinions may wound us. And when love speaks to us, we should believe in it, though it's voice may shatter our dreams! just like sheaves of corn, love wraps us again and again, hiding us in its numerous levels, then it threshes us to reveal our true self. It purifies us from unwanted impurities. It gives us clear vision of our feelings. All these things we experience in love are for us so that we may know the secrets of our heart. But if in our fear we would seek only love's peace and love's pleasure, then it is better for us that we cover our nakedness and pass out of love's threshing-floor, into the seasonless world where we shall laugh, but not all of our laughter, and weep, but not all of our tears: we will never be complete without love! Love is essential to complete our personality and growth. Love possesses not and nor would it be possessed; because love is sufficient unto love... And we should also not think that we can direct (change) the course(path) of love, because for love, if it finds us worthy, it will come to us itself and guide us on a path itself... we can not mold definition of love as we wish, love will reveal its reality itself and define it for us. we can not force ourself to fall in love with someone, love itself decides when we are ready and for who... Love has no other desire but to fulfill itself... |
Par keriado : le 19/02/11 à 18:09:38
| Dire merci | krésus : thanks master : mon cher petit maître, je suis une ancienne double spé anglais et géographie, l'anglais j'en ai bouffé des heures et des heures par semaine, alors ne prononce plus jamais le mot de traducteur ou je te pète les dents (  ) de nier toutes les longues heures pendant lesquelles je me suis bien fait chier à étudier la littérature anglophone de long en large Pegasos : I'm waiting for your info, msn, mail, skype or FB Message édité le 19/02/11 à 18:11 |
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